Another e-tarded e-mail exchange, taking the crank call into the new millennium. The following is an actual e-mail exchange.
To: Lambert Dolphin
Subject: A serious question about Creationism
If God created the world, how do you explain the
existence of the platypus?
I challenge you to refute this argument. However, I
respectfully await your response. The question of
whether the Earth, Universe, flowers, Apes, etc., were
created by God or whether they "snapped" into being
during the Big Crash has interested me for some time
now.
Regards,
Jason Roth
Dear Jason,
I would be glad to get to know you and your views, but in context of
who you are, what you believe and where your interests lie.
God does His own explaining, so you should ask him directly about the
Platypus. As I see things, there are many more amazing creatures and
things in the universe than the Platypus. But I do know that the Lord
has a sense of humor.
I have never heard of the "Big Crash" myself, nor do I believe that
the Big Bang ever happened.
Let's get acquainted.
Sincerely,
Lambert
Mr. Dolphin,
Thank you for the referral. How would you recommend I
contact God regarding the question of the platypus? I
just don't think this animal could have been created
by anyone, even someone not nearly as smart as God.
There's plenty of other things I would have done
first, if I were God. For one thing, why not give bats
the gift of sight? I know, everyone keeps saying that
bats don't need sight because they have radar, but
still, I can't see that it would hurt. (You know, in
case they fly out of a cave during the day time.) I
mean, why would you want to give a mammal like the
platypus a duck-bill, when you could do more important
things, like giving bats the gift of sight?
It is interesting that you don't believe in the Big
Crash. Personally, neither do I. At least, I don't
think it solves much of anything. If something keeps
crashing into existence, how does that explain the
stuff that was needed to do the initial crashing?
First, you need something to crash, and then - AND
ONLY THEN - can you actually, seriously crash. The Big
Crash is a lot like the Big Clap. (Just kidding, this
is just how I like to refer to God creating the
universe - you know, God "clapped" so to speak, and
everything "clapped" into being.) So the Big Crash and
the "Big Clap" are kind of the same thing. In each
scenario, something, or someone, needed to either
"crash" or "clap".
Well, here's what I want to know. What clapped those
original "clappers" into clapping in the first place?
The whole clap trap business just doesn't explain
anything, at least in my opinion. Unless, somehow,
when God clapped, he "theoretically" created Himself
in the same instance he created the rest of the
Universe. Obviously, I don't mean he really created
himself, just that for the purposes of theistical
argument he could have. But this whole thing is still
confusing. Isn't God part of the Universe he
supposedly created?
Regards,
Jason
Hello Jason,
I am glad you wrote back.
God has always existed. He, in fact, created time itself. There was no need for God to create anything--He is quite complete and whole in Himself. He is self-existent.
The Creation is separate from God. He stands apart from it.
Isaiah 57:15
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Isaiah 55:
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John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
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God is known personally by millions of people around the world. If you wish to know Him you need only grant Him permission to be part of your life and to be your Lord and King.
My web site has a lot of articles on creation. The more I study creation, the more fascinating it becomes.
Tell me more about yourself. You seem like a very interesting person?
Lambert
Mr. Dolphin,
Thank you for your reply. I guess that explains the
whole Platypus Quandary, but you bring up a new, yet
interesting, point. That being, insomuchas it comes to
fruition, that God created time itself. When did he do
this? If he created time before time existed, didn't
he do it at a particular time, hence, thereby
(intuitively speaking), he created time when time
already existed?
And (and here's the real crux (and this is really what
I'm trying to get at)) of my argument: Why would God
create time after time already existed? Ah, unless I
can infer from your position that you believe there
are actually *two* times in existence: (1) the time
that existed when God created time, and (2) the time
that existed once God created it. Is this "Dual Time
Hypothesis" similar to the Leibniz multiple world
theory? Or are we really talking about a parallel
universe thing here, along the lines ("je ne sais
quad") of those trite Star Trek ripoff plot-lines?
But back to your Creation argument. You wrote: "God
himself stands apart from the Act of Creation." Now, I
assume you meant that he "stood" apart from this Act.
Nevertheless, where was God standing when Creation
took place? I'll give you a metaphor, and you tell me
if this is the proverbial bush you're beating. I'm
thinking of that super hero, I think His name was "Ice
Man". He shot ice beams out of his hands and
slip-slided all over the place right on those
super-quick-freezing ice beams. So, when you say that
God stood "outside" of Creation, do you mean he
quickly created one little piece of Creation
underneath himself, kind of like the first blast of
Ice Man's ice beam, so then God had somewhere to
stand, at which point he created the other "icy ice
bits" of the Universe? If so, I can reciprocate with
your position, but don't you think it might beg the
whole question of "Where was God standing before
Creation if he stands apart from Creation?"
Perhaps I am too logically-oriented to understand the
faith-based reasoning processes required by a
Creationistic "hypo-theory". But, perhaps there need
only be one little "snap" or "crackle" and then I'll
get it!
Regards,
Jason
Mr. Roth,
If you were to walk backwards in history I expect you would see
discontinuities in human history about 5000 years ago, and an
apparent origin for the universe perhaps 7-8000 years ago.
God contains all possible dimensions of time. This is sort of what is
mean by saying that He lives "in eternity." Eternity is not
timelessness, but time-fullness.
Mr. Dolphin,
Thank you for your reply. I guess that explains the
whole Platypus Quandary, but you bring up a new, yet
interesting, point. That being, insomuchas it comes to
fruition, that God created time itself. When did he do
this? If he created time before time existed, didn't
he do it at a particular time, hence, thereby
(intuitively speaking), he created time when time
already existed?
And (and here's the real crux (and this is really what
I'm trying to get at)) of my argument: Why would God
create time after time already existed? Ah, unless I
can infer from your position that you believe there
are actually *two* times in existence: (1) the time
that existed when God created time, and (2) the time
that existed once God created it. Is this "Dual Time
Hypothesis" similar to the Leibniz multiple world
theory? Or are we really talking about a parallel
universe thing here, along the lines ("je ne sais
quad") of those trite Star Trek ripoff plot-lines?
Time means something only when there are a sequence of things goings
on. For us, trapped in time, we can only experience the present. We
do not have access to the past or the future. God views all of
history from outwide of our time domain.
But back to your Creation argument. You wrote: "God
himself stands apart from the Act of Creation." Now, I
assume you meant that he "stood" apart from this Act.
God is a Spirit not a material being. He is everywhere. To create
something He merely has to speak it into existence.
Nevertheless, where was God standing when Creation
took place? I'll give you a metaphor, and you tell me
if this is the proverbial bush you're beating. I'm
thinking of that super hero, I think His name was "Ice
Man". He shot ice beams out of his hands and
slip-slided all over the place right on those
super-quick-freezing ice beams. So, when you say that
God stood "outside" of Creation, do you mean he
quickly created one little piece of Creation
underneath himself, kind of like the first blast of
I meant that God is separate from all that he is created.
Ice Man's ice beam, so then God had somewhere to
stand, at which point he created the other "icy ice
bits" of the Universe? If so, I can reciprocate with
your position, but don't you think it might beg the
whole question of "Where was God standing before
Creation if he stands apart from Creation?"
God does not "stand" since He is a Spirit and He is not a man.
Perhaps I am too logically-oriented to understand the
faith-based reasoning processes required by a
Creationistic "hypo-theory". But, perhaps there need
only be one little "snap" or "crackle" and then I'll
get it!
God is a Person and as you get to know Him as a person He will show
you pictures and images of what he is like and help you see into the
spiritual dimension.
God created YOU so YOU could get to know Him in a one-to-one
relationship.
Lambert
Jason,
Did I give you the help you were seeking? You are welcome to write back anytime.
Lambert
Yes, believe me, you did. Thanks for all your
responses.
-Jason
Thanks Jason,
My pleasure! I am here for you anytime you would like to chat on most
any subject.
God bless you.
Lambert