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E-tarded E-mail
Correspondence with Lambert Dolphin's Resources
(Part of The Science and the Bible SiteRing)

Another e-tarded e-mail exchange, taking the crank call into the new millennium. The following is an actual e-mail exchange.
 

To: Lambert Dolphin
Subject: A serious question about Creationism

If God created the world, how do you explain the existence of the platypus?

I challenge you to refute this argument. However, I respectfully await your response. The question of whether the Earth, Universe, flowers, Apes, etc., were created by God or whether they "snapped" into being during the Big Crash has interested me for some time now.

Regards,

Jason Roth


Dear Jason,

I would be glad to get to know you and your views, but in context of who you are, what you believe and where your interests lie.

God does His own explaining, so you should ask him directly about the Platypus. As I see things, there are many more amazing creatures and things in the universe than the Platypus. But I do know that the Lord has a sense of humor.

I have never heard of the "Big Crash" myself, nor do I believe that the Big Bang ever happened.

Let's get acquainted.

Sincerely,

Lambert


Mr. Dolphin,

Thank you for the referral. How would you recommend I contact God regarding the question of the platypus? I just don't think this animal could have been created by anyone, even someone not nearly as smart as God. There's plenty of other things I would have done first, if I were God. For one thing, why not give bats the gift of sight? I know, everyone keeps saying that bats don't need sight because they have radar, but still, I can't see that it would hurt. (You know, in case they fly out of a cave during the day time.) I mean, why would you want to give a mammal like the platypus a duck-bill, when you could do more important things, like giving bats the gift of sight?

It is interesting that you don't believe in the Big Crash. Personally, neither do I. At least, I don't think it solves much of anything. If something keeps crashing into existence, how does that explain the stuff that was needed to do the initial crashing? First, you need something to crash, and then - AND ONLY THEN - can you actually, seriously crash. The Big Crash is a lot like the Big Clap. (Just kidding, this is just how I like to refer to God creating the universe - you know, God "clapped" so to speak, and everything "clapped" into being.) So the Big Crash and the "Big Clap" are kind of the same thing. In each scenario, something, or someone, needed to either "crash" or "clap".

Well, here's what I want to know. What clapped those original "clappers" into clapping in the first place? The whole clap trap business just doesn't explain anything, at least in my opinion. Unless, somehow, when God clapped, he "theoretically" created Himself in the same instance he created the rest of the Universe. Obviously, I don't mean he really created himself, just that for the purposes of theistical argument he could have. But this whole thing is still confusing. Isn't God part of the Universe he supposedly created?

Regards,

Jason


Hello Jason,

I am glad you wrote back.

God has always existed. He, in fact, created time itself. There was no need for God to create anything--He is quite complete and whole in Himself. He is self-existent.

The Creation is separate from God. He stands apart from it.

Isaiah 57:15
[Long, boring quote removed]

Isaiah 55:
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John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
[Remainder of long, boring quote removed]

God is known personally by millions of people around the world. If you wish to know Him you need only grant Him permission to be part of your life and to be your Lord and King.

My web site has a lot of articles on creation. The more I study creation, the more fascinating it becomes.

Tell me more about yourself. You seem like a very interesting person?

Lambert


Mr. Dolphin,

Thank you for your reply. I guess that explains the whole Platypus Quandary, but you bring up a new, yet interesting, point. That being, insomuchas it comes to fruition, that God created time itself. When did he do this? If he created time before time existed, didn't he do it at a particular time, hence, thereby (intuitively speaking), he created time when time already existed?

And (and here's the real crux (and this is really what I'm trying to get at)) of my argument: Why would God create time after time already existed? Ah, unless I can infer from your position that you believe there are actually *two* times in existence: (1) the time that existed when God created time, and (2) the time that existed once God created it. Is this "Dual Time Hypothesis" similar to the Leibniz multiple world theory? Or are we really talking about a parallel universe thing here, along the lines ("je ne sais quad") of those trite Star Trek ripoff plot-lines?

But back to your Creation argument. You wrote: "God himself stands apart from the Act of Creation." Now, I assume you meant that he "stood" apart from this Act. Nevertheless, where was God standing when Creation took place? I'll give you a metaphor, and you tell me if this is the proverbial bush you're beating. I'm thinking of that super hero, I think His name was "Ice Man". He shot ice beams out of his hands and slip-slided all over the place right on those super-quick-freezing ice beams. So, when you say that God stood "outside" of Creation, do you mean he quickly created one little piece of Creation underneath himself, kind of like the first blast of Ice Man's ice beam, so then God had somewhere to stand, at which point he created the other "icy ice bits" of the Universe? If so, I can reciprocate with your position, but don't you think it might beg the whole question of "Where was God standing before Creation if he stands apart from Creation?"

Perhaps I am too logically-oriented to understand the faith-based reasoning processes required by a Creationistic "hypo-theory". But, perhaps there need only be one little "snap" or "crackle" and then I'll get it!

Regards,

Jason


Mr. Roth,

If you were to walk backwards in history I expect you would see discontinuities in human history about 5000 years ago, and an apparent origin for the universe perhaps 7-8000 years ago.

God contains all possible dimensions of time. This is sort of what is mean by saying that He lives "in eternity." Eternity is not timelessness, but time-fullness.

Mr. Dolphin,

Thank you for your reply. I guess that explains the whole Platypus Quandary, but you bring up a new, yet interesting, point. That being, insomuchas it comes to fruition, that God created time itself. When did he do this? If he created time before time existed, didn't he do it at a particular time, hence, thereby (intuitively speaking), he created time when time already existed?

And (and here's the real crux (and this is really what I'm trying to get at)) of my argument: Why would God create time after time already existed? Ah, unless I can infer from your position that you believe there are actually *two* times in existence: (1) the time that existed when God created time, and (2) the time that existed once God created it. Is this "Dual Time Hypothesis" similar to the Leibniz multiple world theory? Or are we really talking about a parallel universe thing here, along the lines ("je ne sais quad") of those trite Star Trek ripoff plot-lines?

Time means something only when there are a sequence of things goings on. For us, trapped in time, we can only experience the present. We do not have access to the past or the future. God views all of history from outwide of our time domain.

But back to your Creation argument. You wrote: "God himself stands apart from the Act of Creation." Now, I assume you meant that he "stood" apart from this Act.

God is a Spirit not a material being. He is everywhere. To create something He merely has to speak it into existence.

Nevertheless, where was God standing when Creation took place? I'll give you a metaphor, and you tell me if this is the proverbial bush you're beating. I'm thinking of that super hero, I think His name was "Ice Man". He shot ice beams out of his hands and slip-slided all over the place right on those super-quick-freezing ice beams. So, when you say that God stood "outside" of Creation, do you mean he quickly created one little piece of Creation underneath himself, kind of like the first blast of

I meant that God is separate from all that he is created.

Ice Man's ice beam, so then God had somewhere to stand, at which point he created the other "icy ice bits" of the Universe? If so, I can reciprocate with your position, but don't you think it might beg the whole question of "Where was God standing before Creation if he stands apart from Creation?"

God does not "stand" since He is a Spirit and He is not a man.

Perhaps I am too logically-oriented to understand the faith-based reasoning processes required by a Creationistic "hypo-theory". But, perhaps there need only be one little "snap" or "crackle" and then I'll get it!

God is a Person and as you get to know Him as a person He will show you pictures and images of what he is like and help you see into the spiritual dimension.

God created YOU so YOU could get to know Him in a one-to-one relationship.

Lambert


Jason,

Did I give you the help you were seeking? You are welcome to write back anytime.

Lambert


Yes, believe me, you did. Thanks for all your responses.

-Jason


Thanks Jason,

My pleasure! I am here for you anytime you would like to chat on most any subject.

God bless you.

Lambert

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