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Comment Archive 4
(Most are responses to the editorial Arafat is Not the Problem.)
The posts below were made from March 31, 2002 to April 9, 2002.
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Name: J W
E-mail: jacobw@howe.com.au
Subject: Middle East & Oslo War
Having incurred eye strain reading through the comments below, and having trolled the web for the past 18 months, I cannot believe the ignorance about the Arab wars on Israel. Just a couple of facts:
1) the start of the current Oslo War was planned immediately after Camp David in May 2000, as admitted by the PA Propaganda minister at a rally in early 2001. Sharon, who was not even a Cabinet minister at the time of his Temple Mount visit (September 2000) was given permission by the Wakf (the Moslem/Palestinian authority) to take a tour. The first death in the war was an Israeli border policeman shot while having a latte with his PA counterpart.
2) Israel has the reputation of being among the best armies in the world. Do you think that they can't shoot straight? 1500 Palestinian deaths would have been 150,000 if they weren't concerned with not harming civilians. By extension, if they wanted a bloodbath in the West Bank, why enter in the first place. Drop some daisy cutters and let physics do the rest. This is clear evidence that this is not an attempt at racial cleansing, rather criminal cleansing ala the NYPD 'zero tolerance' policy. I'm told NY is safer now.
3) the PLO came into being (formed by the Arab League) in 1964. The West Bank was controlled/annexed by Jordan and the Gaza Strip by Egypt. Fedayhin ('exotic terrorists'?) attacked Israel from within Gaza. Where were the Palestinians? Either they were too afraid (as they found out in 1969-70 in Jordan) to protest or the Palestinians didn't exist.
An Assyrian (Iraqi Christian) work colleague finds the Israeli, US and EU approach to peace amusing. 'For a clever people, Jews are stupid. The Moslem world believes that to negotiate is to show weakness.' He then reminds me of the agreements broken by the Prophet Mohammed and the extreme anti-Jewish sentiments in the Koran.
In 1974 the Arab League formulated a plan of conquering Israel in stages. First get a foothold through world opinion for 'Palestinians' (a newly minted description in 1974) and then when the Israelis believe peace is possible - attack.
I do not know why they hate Israel so much. Could it be that Israel shows the ME fiefdoms up as failures? Does Israel serve the purpose of Nationalism? Could the whole thing be totally irrational?
The Palestinians/'Refugees' represent a scam designed to milk the UN of humanitarian aid and to leave the ME as a festering sore.
I have a final theory why the marketing of the Israeli position is so bad:
An objective viewing of all facts must arrive at the moral validity of Israeli actions and existence. Therefore, the temptation is to feel that there is no need to market. Just look at the facts.
However, we all know that the media is not happy with 'good' stories. Misfortune and death sells papers, not success. Also, the underdog is always right. Pity that the Palestinians aren't the underdogs. Palestinian Arabs, being part of the Arab ME outnumbers Israel in population 50:1. In land the imbalance is 500:1. If you support the underdogs, there is only one side.
Let us pray that everyone is wrong and the PA is willing to make peace. Somehow, I doubt it.
4/9/02 07:33:22
Name: Pacorzine
Subject: re: Arafat is Not the Problem
So this state that Jason Roth envisions is America's freedom-loving democratic ally that Americans are forced to support with $3.5 BILLION a year?
Editor's Note: As I was searching the Web to find out how much the U.S. has sent to the Palestinians ($100 million per year), I noticed the following interesting fact: In August of 2000, Arafat turned down $30 billion from the U.S. to help resettle the refugees. Imagine that? Arafat was more interested in Israeli land than in the welfare of his people. Hard to believe. Here's the AP article on CNN. (JR)
4/7/02 16:06:31
Name: Kevin Leahy
E-mail: redkev@hotmail.com
Subject: Three Little Pigs
Jason,
I see you've been reading David Foster Wallace, the premiere footnote fetishist of our times. Cute story.
Since everyone else and their mother has already weighed in on the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing, I'll only say this: this bitter conflict can be settled only through our most cherished and venerated American tradition of arbitration: the TV court of Judge Mills Lane. With his tough but fair brand of harsh Texas justice, he'll surely settle this once and for all.
Editor's Note: Thanks. But no, I've never heard of Wallace. I went to Amazon, and read one paragraph from an excerpt of one of his books. I defy anyone to read beyond that. As to your Mills Lane comment, let me just say that I will not have anyone say such a thing on this site about such a serious topic. The only daytime TV judge whose name may be mentioned on this site is Judge Judy. Alright, or Judge Milian. And as an added bonus, check out the world's worst promotional website: the official People's Court website. (BTW, here's the response I received when I told them how lame their site was: "Waner Bros. online used to run the site. They have opted not to update it. We have been allowed to keep our email page open so we can receive photo/ticket requests and cases - all other formerly linked pages were killed." Rather polite, considering I told them how pathetic they were.) (JR)
4/6/02 02:05:37
Name: Jeanette Vanderbosch
E-mail: akaheyyou@yahoo.com
Subject: Well, you seem to be forgetting a thing or two...
Arafat is considerably more moderate than many of the people he is leading. He has, on more than one occasion, expressed willingness to work out deals with the israeli people, whereas many of his followers want to destroy them at all cost.
He could very likely stop many of the suicide bombings and such if he was allowed to. But how can he get orders out to his various cells if he's being watched at every moment? Without orders from Arafat, cell leaders (who are usually more extreme than Arafat in their thinking) can operate on their own, causing much more destruction than if we allowed Arafat free reign.
Arafat has been the one thing keeping the middle east from erupting into this kind of conflict. Without him, the bloodbath will only grow and more on both sides will die.
Editor's Note: You are most likely stupid and/or evasive, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just ignorant. How successful was Arafat to stop the Passover bombing, before Israel even began its current offensive? There are also reports now that Arafat has directed more suicide bombings to take place while he's been imprisoned. And he continues to call for a million martyrs to go to Jerusalem. Arafat is a terrorist. (JR)
4/3/02 17:12:41
Name: Patrick
Subject: Israel, Part 3
Well, here we are again, boys and girls. I want to first take a moment to thank this website for allowing me (and all of us) a place to air our thoughts, frustrations, concerns, and ideas about topics that can be really close to us. As a part of this, I think we can all thank God that we were blessed enough to live in a country where we have the freedoms to have political discussions like the ones which are being posted on this site.
As you can tell, I feel a bit less keyed up than I have been over the last couple of messages...but enough niceties. Let's talk shop. I have begun to see that in my previous rants I left out something very important...my heart goes out to not only the innocent Israeli civilians which have been killed during the past 18 months of the Intifada, but also to all the Palestinians who have given their lives for their cause. The name of this site is savethehumans, and I think that neglecting human life and it's value is first and foremost the wrong attitude and position for ANY situation. Where the Jews subscribe to 'An eye for an eye', and the Muslim world has their "jihad" against aggressors, I believe more truthfully in the words of Jesus who taught to 'turn the other cheek'. Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this political discussion into a religious forum, but I simply am espousing my beliefs. But I think that perhaps this is why the Palestinian (and by extension Muslim) position of suicide bombings as a means to achieve goals is so hard for me to accept.
I also have a question for all the Palestinian supporters who have placed commentaries on this site in recent days. One such comment stated that Sharon was the real problem: "He's a modern day Hitler who is trying to exterminate the Palestinians...he's the cause of the intifada in the first place because of his visit to the temple mount...". WHAT? Are you trying to compare the state of Israel with the Third Reich, circa 1939? Granted, Sharon is no choirboy. I am truly and honestly dissappointed when every single Palestinian is subjected to inhumane treatment at his or any of the Israeli army's hands. But give me a break with the Hitler comparison. Sharon would have to kill EVERYONE in the territories, AND his own country, and still not come close to the number of Jews he murdered during his reign. These would be issues governed by international law. Are you seeing Milosevic get his day in the world court? Bring Sharon in for charges. And don't complain when you can't and say that the US is blocking the indictment. The UN is not ALWAYS run by the US. (See every Environmental UN proposal during Bush's administration). But getting back to Sharon...how did he cause the intifada? Oh, that's right. He visited the Temple Mount. Right, Okay, Sure...thousands killed because some guy (no matter his past) visited a Temple. That makes sense. I'm sure Allah is very happy. Dump the entire peace process up until that point because of it. Good move, people. Here's a good question...does anyone think that Sharon would have even been elected Prime Minister if this whole incident wouldn't have happened? Just curious...
And just to comment a small amount about the past...what the heck was Israel thinking by setting up these "settlements" (which Sharon supported wholeheartedly) in 'occupied' territories? Sure, they won the land...but don't you think prudence would have told them to wait and see whether the land would stay in their hands before putting all your people in harms way? Stupid. Sometimes, even when your right, you still have to think about it.
Well, that's it for the day. My blood pressure didn't get too high today. Must be I'm beginning to get numb to the issue. That's scarier than the issue itself...
4/3/02 13:37:38
Name: Ricardo Modigliani
E-mail: modiglianni@excite.com
Subject: Israel-Palestine
I thought that it would be interesting to interject some demographic information into the discussion. According to a Knesset study, this past summer, the area controlled by Israel now has an Arab majority. A Jewish minority controlling a non-Jewish majority is hauntingly similar to the former apartheid South Africa. I say, either give the Arabs a state or let them be full equal citizens of Israel. The perpetual occupation and a relegation to second class human being status for non-Jews is exactly what continues the conflict.
Editor's Note: Arabs in Israel have more rights than in their own countries. As David Horowitz pointed out today, "the so-called Palestinian refugees of the West Bank are barred even from becoming citizens in 21 of the 22 Arab nations. That's why they are "refugees." Because the Arabs want them to be miserable and destitute, and available as cannon fodder for their suicide wars against Israel." Complaining about the rights of Arabs in Israel is so absurd, idiotic, and evasive, it doesn't deserve a response. Consider yourself lucky. (JR)
4/3/02 12:56:16
Name: Anonymous
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
I told myself I'd never ever feel better about myself by looking down at others becuase that is the first step toward a desire for power. I never will. But reading the comments of Arafat in the east has made me realize, how little people waste their lives over- and made me come damn close.
It is the Palestinians land, they say.
What about the innocents, they say.
Israel has bought you! They scream!
Palestinians land? This question is irrelevant. The main question for the east is: Does Israel have the right to defend itself? The obvious answer - for the same reason you have the right to punch someone after they punch you- is that Israel does.
This brings a corollary question. How much force? The answer: until the aggresor is gone - jailed, killed, frozen, quartered, -annihilated, preferably. How long would you defend yourself in a gunfight? Till the other person promised to be nice? Screw that! Once a person initiated force and tried to end your life- anyone has the right to end theirs - Anyone.
What about the innocents?
Another question would be, how many are innocent? Look at your television. Look at the rioting in the east becuase Sharon dares to assert his countries right to exist? Now what kind of world are these people fighting for? Civilians in these places hate Isreal,(and most likely the west). They actively support tyrannical regimes. They are not innocents. When Sharon sends a tank squad to route out Arafat we worry about the lives of Palestinians who celebrated and danced in the streets on and after September 11?
Finally, if some are truly innocent they should welcome Sharon's attack. They might be killed in the process but they should know know that it is their only chance at freedom.
Isreal has bought you? well it bought me, spiritually.
Bush now needs to speak up he needs to say, "Listen Israel - We screwed you over from the begining, we protected Arafat when you were about to capture him, we urged peace, when we believed peace was inertia. But peace has to be understood fully and gained, not used as a facade for more death. We have felt the misery of terrorism in its full capacity and will no longer be your enemy, and their friend. Go get'em."
4/2/02 09:13:42
Name: D
E-mail: dalton3c@excite.com
Subject: Nice shit!
Heya, great site. Been waiting to find something like this and I dig the Southern Man's Lexicon. Good shit.
And I know you all are about being rational, reasonable, real, and logical but I think your small icon, the cross with the line through it, is a bit dumb. I don't follow organized religion of any kind but that just seems like you're out to be dumb.
Thanks again, and keep up the good work!
D
Editor's Note: For anyone out there who doesn't know what this guy is talking about (like other people like me who use IE on a Mac), he's referring to the "faticon" or small icon that appears next to the savethehumans URL in the web browser. I think he's right, it probably is pretty stupid. But since I never have to see it (nor on the NT computer that I use), I therefore haven't been able to get sick of it yet. (JR)
4/2/02 02:13:59
Name: Michael
Subject: To the assholes who say Israel is wrong!
Ok, after reading some of the responces to Arafat is not the problem, I realize that there are a lot of people who have lost touch with reality. One guy said that the Israelis rape and murder people in refugee camps. They do not and the only refugee camps that I know of where there are Palistinians getting oppressed are in the states bordering Israel, where those Arab states have laws forbiding Palistinians from having jobs and they are considered third class citizens. The Arab dictators are only using the Palistinians as pawns for their own evil agendas, they don't care about the Palistinians. Another idiot said that the only solution is for both sides to compromise with each other! It is self evident that the Israelis, when they offered peace, only got terrorism in response. Men who are fighting for a noble cause do not indiscriminately murder women and childred, and people who are willing to talk about peace do not commit suicide bombings at the same time they negotiate! The Palistinian Authority is a corrupt, morally bankrupt organization that has done more to deprive its people of their liberty and property than any Israeli incursion. How can people say that Israel must compromise with an evil regime? When a nation compromises with evil they simply make the evil people bolder and more beligerent. Nations tried to appease Hitler, and millions perished. Evil must never be compromised with.
4/2/02 19:06:09
Name: Patrick
Subject: Israel, Again
Here's what I don't understand. I have been reading commentaries, comments, articles, opinions, and just about every piece of literature I can concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in order to see what consensus opinion is. Unfortunately as you might have guessed...there is not ANY consensus but rather a very polarized nearly 50/50 population. And I'm talking about Americans, here. Is this why Bush vs. Gore went down to the last vote? Why isn't there right and wrong in this situation? Better yet, why is everyone 50/50 split on what IS right or wrong? It seems like common sense would guide a couple of sensible people maybe to the middle! Instead, we are taking stands about 10 miles apart.
Granted, these are just opinions being expressed and not going to amount to a hill of beans in this world...gee, maybe Bogey did have it right after all in Casablanca. But seriously, I am beginning to see the value of human life getting farther and farther from the forefront of this issue. It's become a political/religious arab vs. jew vs. american vs. terrorist vs. islamic free for all. I can't understand someone saying that suicide bombing is the Palestinians ONLY choice, ney...their right, since they are poor and oppressed and don't have an army to fight for them. WHAT??? Does this mean the African-American struggle within the United States has never gotten anywhere and never will until they take up arms against their country? Why doesn't someone tell the textile manufacturers, farmers and steel producers of this country that until they take up arms against the government, nothing is going to help them survive the pressure they are receiving from other countries producing goods (unfairly!) cheaper. That will get some attention. "Joe Johnson blew himself, Bessie his cow, and his John Deere up today in front of the Washington Monument, killing 20...someone needs to stop the oppression". Didn't we clear this up some time ago with Timothy McVey?
And speaking of oppression...can someone please clarify for me how this land is Palestinian? When you are at war with someone...and you take over their land...isn't it yours? Oh, I know. The UN said give it back, and that's who we're supposed to be listening to here. Well, it was the UN that made the Nation of Israel in the first place and for some reason Arab countries weren't down with that they chose to ignore it. Actively resisting it actually, by invading the fledgling country. When that was over, Israel had more land than it started with but noone said to give it back, did they? I'm sure some did...but by what right? They earned it. It is unfortunate now that Sharon is giving other countries a reason to jump back in time and claim that Israel didn't earn it.
OK, OK, I'm out of breath. Figuratively speaking. Actually, my fingers are sore. The keyboard is oppressing my hands!!! I'm going to blow it up.......
Editor's Note: If I may summarize: "Whatever happened to the world?" (JR)
4/2/02 16:06:14
Name: Gershon
Subject: Palestinian issues
I taught my little son years ago when he was being victimized by a bully, that the only way out was to teach the bully a serious message. My son was a turn the other cheek child who would not harm a mosquito. I could have done many other fatherly things, talk with teachers, principals, reason with the bullies parents...who knows. Rationality has many avenues. But the most fatherly thing I could do was...teach my son..one lesson.
Don't look to others to do your own work,job,meet your responsibilities, or look after you. Do no harm to anyone....unless....it is in self defense. The moment you are under attack....then all bets must be off in as much as while life is precious..to all concerned...you must not discount your own at the price of saving another. Thus..when someone attacks you..and only then....it is a requisite in life that you return with fury for the injustie bestowed upon you.....and THEN...........WIN. THIS IS IN FULL KEEPING WITH ANY MORAL DEFINITION.
Editor's Note: No, not any moral definition. Just a morality that holds life as a value. (The morality of suicide bombers does not.) (JR)
4/1/02 18:54:24
Name: Michael
Subject: About the Arafat Article
It is about time someone said what you said, it needed to be said and you can bet that the mainstream media would never say it. It was simply too true. When I first heard on the news about Israels attack, I was at first very happy, thinking that the Israelis were finally gonna kick some terrorist ass. But Israels insistence on not harming Arafat confused me. They said he was an "Enemy" so why didn't they just take him out? Shouldn't a country always destroy its enemys when it has the chance? Why is Israel holding back? I don't understand it, and I don't understand why the free world has such moral cowardice as it displayed when they asked Israel to once again pull out! Don't they realize that by dragging their feet they are helping their enemies to destroy them? Why would anyone be generous to such evil men as the terrorists? Don't they realize that in the end all they will have is a knife in their backs?
4/1/02 18:46:43
Name: laiib
E-mail: corporate@cbi-pace.com
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
Shalom, Do we really need an official state interacting with a terrorist organization? I think not. We need an antiterrorist organization (one or more) interacting with terrorist organizations. Thus, I complain that Israel the state should not, while some independent organization(s) should.-- laiib
4/1/02 2:38
Name: Carlos
E-mail: imscareduhh@hotmail.com
Subject: Arafat not the problem
Yeah, let's send a million tank and a million soldiers to re-occupy the territories, ignoring U.N resolutions. Then, let's put a bullet right between the eyes of everybody that might be a terrorist or might have come in contact with one in the last few years, after all, everybody got away with Sabra and Shantilla, so why not again? Next, everybody who lays claims to the west bank, golan heights or the gaza strip that doesnt have an Israely passport will be sent to Jordan to live in inhumane conditions in refugee camps. And last, let's annex the now ethnically clean territories, and rejoice in a safe, proud Israel. right. Think before you write buddy.
Editor's Note: I'm sure you'd say something similar about a woman who tried to get away from a rapist. "Let's start spraying every man we meet with mace, and kicking everyone in the crotch who might be a rapist, and at last, we can rejoice, a street safe for women everywhere." Sarcasm is ugly when it covers a lie. (JR)
4/1/02 14:25:16
Name: tuckerkr
Subject: Israel's dilemmna could be ours
I have to wonder what Americans would say if we were invaded from the north and south by suicide bombers in the same proportion to our population as the Palestinians to the Israelis. Think how many thousands of Americans would be dead now, non-soldiers, as the Jihad warriors (who don't seem to care about their own lives), helped by Arab residents here, use their car bombs, explosive fanny packs going off in shopping malls,or Molotov cocktails thrown into long lines of people waiting for a sports event, etc. I mean, there are a whole lot of angry Arabs, right?
How long do you think we would refrain from invading the border areas of adjacent countries to wipe them out, regardless of the protests of the country. If those countries could not control and eliminate the problem, then I am sure our government would not hesitate to act.
No country who has not had to suffer this kind attack upon the innocent citizens of their country has the right to condemn Israel for trying to not only survive as a country but to protect their citizens.
4/1/02 14:04:04
Name: Mike
Subject: terrorism!
BRAVO!!!!!!!!
4/1/02 13:51:52
Name: B Bonnheim
E-mail: BBonnheim@AOL.com
Subject: Israel vs Palestinians
It's pretty amazing no one seems to give a damn that all these years after the U.N. created the state of Israel, many Arab countries don't even recognize Israel's right to EXIST!! THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER THE U.N. CREATED ISRAEL...LEGALLY...EVERY ARAB NATION SURROUNDING IT ATTACKED. THE-VERY-NEXT-DAY! Where was the outcry THEN?? How the hell do you negotiate in good faith with people who OFFICIALLY want you to be NONEXISTENT?
And, if you don't wanna lose your land, DON'T ATTACK! If you insist on attacking, you chance losing your land...obviously. IF you attack AND lose your land, demanding that "of course it should be given" back is ridiculous. Lastly, since Israel has this major military machine supported by the U.S., and the Palestinians have nothing, WHY are the Palestinians still existent themselves? Could it be that Israel has actually shown restraint? Again, obviously. They gave up the entire Sinai Penninsula for peace WITH EGYPT, didn't they? Clearly the Israeli's understand and accept the concept and under the right environment will do the same again. Blowing the shit outa people at a Passover Seder, or teens at a disco isn't the "right environment". There is simply no truthfully denying that Israel has proven to both Jordan and Egypt--former Arab enemies-- that it WILL deal land for peace..and, they are at peace today.
4/1/02 13:51:08
Name: shay
Subject: Arafat is not the problem
i supported US response to the september 11 bombings as it was an attack in their country and on innocent civilians but i dont agree with comparing the same with israel and palestine. israel is occupying palestine lands and arresting and enclosing innocent civilians in refugee camps where they are treated worse than animals. i believe if it had a strong military it would go into the accepted conventional warfare to defend its innocent civilians just like the americans did and everyone would understand. just like the americans fought the british to gain independence is how palestines now fight to protect their lands and people against occupation. i am canadian if canada was occupied and my friends and family taken to refugee camps where they were left to the mercy of those who capture us and subjected to torture, rape and killing of my people at their will i would do what it takes to protect and liberate them am sure you would do the same for your american brothers and most canadians would be by your side arm in arm using either conventional warfare or in its absence...guerilla or suicide against a more powerful foe. i think it is time we became fair and just if its peace we want but if its propaganda then lates blame Arafat and exhult israel but if its lasting peace we want then lets be fair and honest and liberate palestinians and their land then if they cross over to israel and countinue unprovoked suicidal attacks against innocent civilians then i will personally volunteer to join the international force going to the aid of israel as our fathers did during the gulf war. i pray for peace to all mankind but first and foremost fairness to all wether we agree with their leaders or believes should be irrelevant.
Editor's Note: Excuse me while I recover from a fit of hysterical laughter at your comparison between the Palestinians and the Americans during our war of independence. But let me just point out one thing, if you're not so touchy-feely that you can't actually be subjected to logic without getting sick to your bleeding-heart stomach. Israel doesn't use suicide bombers. The Palestinians do. America didn't use suicide bombers. The Japanese, however, had kamikazes, and it had nothing to with them not having a strong military. America and Israel value the individual. Japan during World War II, and the Palestinians now, place a higher value in "the cause". Any cause claimed to justify the sacrifice of individual lives is not a cause worth upholding. (JR)
4/1/02 13:43:04
Name: Nisso Cohen
E-mail: nissocohen@yahoo.com
Subject: Israel will fight
Try to live like an Israeli: shall I take my child to a movie today? Isn't it too risky? Shall we dine in a restaurant? restaurants are not safe. Shall we go to Jerusalem during the holidays? We heve been living like that for more than a year. You have no idea what terrorisim is like when it comes on a daily basis and affects every move of your life.
That is why we will not only fight but win and kill as many of those bastards that are looking at us and praying for our death.
We need your support, on web sites and in letters, the same way as we needed it in 1967 and 1973. We fight for our freedom again - freedom of living.
We need you to write to your senators and congressmen and urge them to support the war on terrorism, as we do the job that you (in the U.S. and Europe) are afraid to do - kill terrorists with faces - the faces of the "Palestinians" that you quote time and again in your TV stations. "How come those with faces can be so dangersous as Israelis claim?" you probably ask yourselves. Well, they are the most dangerous terrorists on earth, because they know how to trick you (and to my shame, also some of us).
Nisso Cohen
Editor's Note: Nisso, if you need a vacation in NYC, let me know. My door is open. (Well, not right now, but it could be quite easily. Well, you get the point.) (JR)
4/1/02 13:34:58
Name: Linval Stewart
E-mail: linval_s@hotmail.com
Subject: Arafat is not the Problem
Sir,
You, as member of a group who knows perils of oppression, now that power is vested in your people, should not say it is right or even more needs to be done, on the Israeli side, to massacre the Palestinians. In advocating this position you have lost any credibility you may have had.
As Israel has adopted this posture, she has lost her credibility and the Arab peace proposal has been able to ferret out which party really wants peace. The proposal and Israel's subsequent categorical denial, without even using it as a starting point for negotiation, shows that the Israeli government does not EVER want to return the West Bank and Gaza Strip to their rightful owners, the Palestinians. It has thus shun the light on Israel's disingenuous assertions on the recreation of a sovereign Palestinian State. Additionally, highlighting Israel's bad faith negotiating at Camp David. These are reasons Israel now hides behind its veil of countering "terrorism", when Israelis real plan is the systematic elimination of the Palestinian people.
The Israeli's government is conducting a "great and total destruction of life," or Holocaust on the Palestinian people. Hitler planned to cleans Germany of Jews for Germany's security. You, I am sure, believed that was wrong. However, you believe it is right for the Jews to cleanse Israel of Palestinians in order to achieve security. You are calling for a Holocaust in which the Palestinians are the victims. This can never be right in your own eyes or the eyes of the world's citizens- who by the way is watching Israel closely.
The world will rise up against Israel's holocaust against the Palestinians; just as the world roused against Germany treatment of the Jews during W.W.II. Israel will lose, even if she kills Arafat because, as a member of an oppressed group I know that, Israel will never be free from terror until she cleanses herself of her wrongs, by negotiating in good faith and discontinuing the destruction she has caused. Additionally, that oppressed peoples will not be deterred from their JUST CAUSE when there is an UNJUST oppressor. Malcolm X sought freedom/civil and human rights in this country "by any means necessary." The Palestinians understand this concept and continued suppression by Israel will only serve the strengthen their resolve.
Being capricious in your articles and advocating military resolution is wrong. It is important that you take more responsibility for your words as a journalist. Any study of oppressed peoples will show that oppression only serves to foster hate and the desire to destroy the oppressors. Palestinians will not be deterred from their cause and Israel as a nation should know that, it is how she has managed to survive. Israel, needs to do the RIGHT thing and cleanse herself of the wrongs she has committed against the Palestinian in this holocaust.
Linval Stewart
Editor's Note: I'm sure you never thought I had any credibility to begin with. I think you just like the phrase "you have lost any credibility you may have had". (It's a good one, I'll admit it.) Terrorist defenders like you can be spotted miles away. Just look for the quotes around "terrorism", a word used to describe suicide bombings of innocent civilians. The quotes are your way of blanking-out the reality. Now, as far as your accusation that I "believe it is right for the Jews to cleanse Israel of Palestinians", this again is absurd. Arabs have more rights in Israel than they do (or did) under Arafat. And do me a favor and try not to scare me with the "world's eyes" watching. If the world thinks the Americans and the Israelis are wrong to fight terrorism, then fuck the world. (JR)
4/1/02 11:34
Name: Pat Thornton
E-mail: pthornton_1051@yahoo.com
Subject: Arafat Is Not The Problem Article
Great article, couldn't agree with you more. I am 50 years old and have been living with this middle east crisis my entire life and at this point I am just sick of it. It is time for George Bush to say, "Either you damn terrorists leave Israel alone, or we are going to mobilize our entire army, navy, air force, and marines, we are going to bring all our our available weapons with us, and we are going to just wipe the hell out of the entire Middle East, and any other countries that may want to stick their nose in it. As Todd Beamor said on Flight 93, September 11, 2001, it is time for us to roll, and not worry about what every other asshole in the world thinks about us.
4/1/02 13:16:15
Name: Bernie Zieman
E-mail: vze27fce@verizon.net
Subject: Palestinians
You are 100% correct! I thought that I was the only intelligent person left in the free world. I am almost 40 years old and have grown up realizing the only good Palestinian is a dead one.You can throw in the rest of the Arab world in this statement! Bush only cares about his livelihood which is oil when it comes to Isreali-Arab affairs! It seems that he is worried about doing the right thing when it might hurt his family business and his oil buddies. The US. should give whatever the Isrealis need to do the dirty work of the free world because nobody can do a better job at killing Arabs than the Isrealis. Let them finish the job once and for all! And just maybe our children and the generations to come can live on a terrorist free planet.
4/1/02 13:15:45
Name: Jack
Subject: Arafat
Bush tried to play Arafat card to secure Arab support for Iraq "Desert Storm-2".
Saudi Abdullah and his despot friends, at Beirut meeting gave the kiss of death to the American initiative by embracing Iraq envoi and declaring that any attack on Iraq is an attack on all Arab states.
To save his face, Bush has no choice but to stick to his own doctrine about terrorists and supporting regimes if he wants to maintain any credibility.
Arafat and his suicide bombers martyrs, Tanzim, Hezbolah, Islamic Jihad, Al-Axah brigades have proved they qualify for the title and the treatment of terrorists.
Editor's Note: Bush's rating among this American is going down fast every minute he delays naming the facts you mention. And I saw Colin Powell on 60 Minutes II tonight (4/4), and he was as evasive as a Democratic senator. He was asked point blank whether Arafat was a terrorist, given that his regime harbors terrorists. Powell refused to answer. That man is a gutless piece of shit who should be forcibly thrown out of office. But don't get me started... (JR)
4/1/02 13:08:28
Name: Syed Hadi
E-mail: hadi27@hotmail.com
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
Mr. Smartass:
The only way Israel will ever have peace is when it stops occupying Arab land. Unfortunately, people like you are so gutless that you refuse to recognize wrong done to millions of Palestinians.
H
Editor's Note: Thank you for addressing me with the proper title of "Mr." I would find it offensive if you just called me "Smartass". That being said, why don't you show me a Palestinian map with a picture of Israel on it before you open up your polite mouth again. (JR)
4/1/02 11:02
Name: Romy Sheynis
E-mail: rseinis@yahoo.com
Subject: your article
Unfortunately, the Israeli hands are tied by Busch. And Busch's hands are tied by his multi-layered cabinet. And cabinets hands are tied by the national and international community. International hands are tied because of the Arabs world. Arabs world do not give a s..t about Palestinians but voice a strong condemnation of Israel. And Israel's hands are tied....
Now, where do we break the circle....
Editor's Note: "Busch"'s hands are not tied. I say let him go, and let Ari Fleischer clean up the mess afterwards. The "international hands" can kiss my red, white, and blue ass. (JR)
4/1/02 10:54
Name: Yvonne
E-mail: yem2002us@yahoo.com
Subject: Solution for Middle East
I should begin by stating that I am 100% pro-Israeli, but I also sympathize with the Palestinians -- they live in squalid, uncivilized conditions. Everyone analyzing the situation is completely missing the point: what the Palestinian people are so desperate about it not the occupation itself, but rather their quality of life (I know this is an understatement, but I'm simplifying for the sake of making a quick point). They are not inherently evil people, they have been driven to such desperate acts because they lack hope for the future. They are blaming the occupation and the Israelis because it's the closest thing to them that they can finger(and because Israel contributes - in small part - to their situation). So, what if Israel gives up the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights even (not even to mention the return of the refugees)? What will the Palestinian people do then? They will destroy everything Israel has built, still live in squalid conditions, and then continue to blame Israel somehow, and continue their terrorism (with all the "humanitarian" world condoning it because they are the underdog). Whoever's fault it is, they are not a civilized people and should not be treated as democratically ruled, rational people. Furthermore, if Israel were to give up the land the others want, it would be one step closer to giving up Israel as a state altogether. Arafat has made it clear that he WANTS NO ISRAEL. So, I wonder how the moralistic, idealistic, short-sighted, dumb-ass people who are "protecting" Arafat from the "siege" of the aweful Israelis would react to a Palestinian "OCCUPATION" of Israel? Would two wrongs make a right? Even IF Israel is wrong in controlling the territories, the world should demand a CIVILIZED protest from the Palestinians instead of this evil terrorism. Okay, back to my point. The Palestinians will not A) be happy or B) succeed with more land. What they need is RAISED LIVING CONDITIONS THROUGH FOREIGN INTERVENTION. This is the only way to restore their hope for the future and get their focus off terrorizing the "enemy". Question: If the Palestinians enjoyed the same quality of life as Israel does, then would they be so disgruntled about the "occupation"? Of course not. Sharon is not doing a damn thing by holing up Arafat except agitating the world's Muslims (and everyone else). And I am baffled as to why the world - Sharon, Bush, etc. continue to carry on dialogue with Arafat. It is a waste of time. The US needs to step in - with other clear allies (to offset the feeling of "favoritism")and impose a policy whereby Israel remains in control, but the Palestinians are bombarded with social and economic programs to raise their quality of life. This can happen only after the terrorists are diffused, which will necessitate Israel taking a stronger role than it has been, which will piss off the people in the world who pretend to give a shit about the Palestinians (e.g., the Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis, and Egyptians who could easily help them out, but don't want to take them in because they are step-children and will tax their countries economically - so much for taking care of their "Muslim Brothers"). Anyway, the bottom line is that until the Palestinians can see a better way of life, we should expect more terrorism.
4/1/02 12:44:32
Name: benjamin Schmultzman Bernstein Goldman Silverberg
Subject: israel rules!!!!!!!!!!
LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kill terrorists, doesnt mater what the supposed anti-zionists (really anti-semites as there is no difference between the two)think. Fuck them all.
LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!
AND GOOD LUCK IN HERT LATEST MILITARY OFFENSIVE INTO THE OCCUPIED TERROROTORIES.
ISRAEL RULES
4/1/02 12:42:06
Name: r.cooper
Subject: this bullshit diatribe from this idiot
What we see here is typical Israeli intransigence at the fact that it is Sharon and the Israelis that are the main stubbling blocks to peace. This idiot can adopt all the macho , intolerant posturing he wants to, but the end results will be the same. Israel truly does not want peace, does not have a plan to live in peace, and can offer nothing more than mindless, empty violence that is disguised as a policy.
It is a shame that the U.S. allows Sharon to frame the image of what is happening in Israel's occupied territories. These lands do not belong to Israel, and will never stay in their hands. Those bastards in Israel, with its stage supported terrorism can try to delay the inevitable, but there will be a Palestine on the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. There are no other options. All the nonsense, coming from the mouth of that bigot, will not change anything. The death of Arafat will not change anything. THERE WILL BE A PALESTINE!!!
4/1/02 12:39:56
Name: M.MEISELS
E-mail: MJM121832@YAHOO.COM
Subject: ARAFAT IS IRRELEVENT
I AGREE WHOLEHARTEADLY WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
MAYER
4/1/02 12:23:32
Name: JJackala
E-mail: JJackala@aol.com
Subject: Arafat
Great article. I applaud you except that reality tells you that Arafat is not
the only problem but is a big problem. He turns the faucet on and off. He is
a murderer/terrorist and murderers/terrorists are put in jail. Putting Arafat
in jail is only the begining to the bigger picture, but that is not relevant.
The fact that he is a terrorist only gives Israel enough reason to arrest him
and put him in jail. Other than that great article.
4/1/02 10:11
Name: Rugh
E-mail: tap0ut@charter.net
Subject: Arafat
I couldn't agree with Jason more. I'm losing respect for Bush as a leader more every day. He's hanging our only ally in the region out to dry so after the incursion in Afghanistan is over, he can go after Saddam. Whatever happened to leaders with balls? Bush should tell the U.N. to kiss his ass and support Sharon in whatever the Israeli's plan to do. I find it amazing the Israeli state survived the Clinton administration. All Clinton new about balls was to get them sucked by fat interns.
4/1/02 11:58:47
Name: michael
Subject: "arafat is not to blame"
In response to your article: Peace is not achieved through weapons of war. An Israeli police state? Have you lost your mind? The region is already unstable enough without another hard-ass regime. What IS needed here is for BOTH sides to BACK OFF and compromise. They CAN share the land if they will only stop being so stiff-necked. In addition, the U.S. government( a/k/a George Bush) needs to look at this thing from the perspective of history. The land in question was ALWAYS known as Palestine. The United nations asked Palestine to deed land to a group of Jewish refugees. Palestine said no and the land was taken from them anyway by these same refugees. The U.S. is supporting a state that was never sanctioned by ANYBODY-which is why we are now hated world-wide. The terrible events of 9-11 are a DIRECT result of a poorly thought out policy and the events of the past two weeks in Israel are a response to the same. Do not mis-understand me. I grieve for the Jewish people over these recent losses. No-one should have to die like that. I respect the Israeli people and their culture-but they are in the wrong. Palestine is in the wrong in its methodology. Two wrongs do not make a right. The only answer is compromise.
4/1/02 11:52:28
Name: glenn
E-mail: glennwstevens@excite.com
Subject: Response to Editorial
Do you know why Palestinians blow themselves up? They have no tanks.
Do you know why Israelis do not blow themselves up? They have tanks.
Imagine yourself Palestinian!
4/1/02 11:48:28
Name: Anonymous
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
Still blaming the victim the palestinians are the ones who are being attacked by your mighty army of thugs. Arafat is another palestinian national who refuse to sign away the farm to please your generals.
4/1/02 11:45:56
Name: marek
Subject: Mid East Conflict
I agree with your thesis that swapping land for peace will not end the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis. The PA also insists on the 'right of return', which will result in the end of Israel. So, no Israeli leader will agree to this demand.
Also, I think there is very little hope for a negotiated settlement. This is because the PA does not seem to engage in true negotiations; they have 'demands' and are not willing to compromise.
The violence currently occurring in the Mid East is rooted in hatred of jews in Israel, as well as around the world. The hatred is encouraged by the PA as well as other Arab governments in the region. The Palestinians are blinded by this hatred, and it will take a leader of much greater stature than Arafat to convince the Palestinians that compromise is necessary to achieve peace.
Today the OIC (Organization of Islamic Coutries) issued a statement presenting their un-biased assessment of the Mid East conflict. I think it will be interesting to hear from the OJC (Organization of Jewish Countries) regarding this subject.
4/1/02 11:36:46
Name: Mike Marsden
Subject: Wake-up!
Mr. Roth is suggesting that Israel must do what once was done to Jews.
Turning every single inch of Palistinian land into Israeli police post.
How would Mr. Roth react if I bulldozer through his home, beat-up his old mother, kill a few of his friends and take his younger brother into a so called "police custody. How would he react if he finds his brothers bullet ridden body on the street and is told that his brother was shot when he tried to escape police.
How would Mr. Roth react if he finds himself with no reason to live, wanting to fight oppression but too weak to stand against a military might.
I will not be surprised if he blows himself up in a market place.
What he call terrorism is what I call the weapon of the weak!
4/1/02 11:32:42
Name: Gregory Shaw
E-mail: rebote@msn.com
Subject: Re: Arafat is not the Problem
Brilliant article, Jay!
Too bad it represents such a minority opinion. The vast majority of people around the world support the religious Arabs, just as they did the Nazis and the Holocaust.
Sincerely,
Gregory Shaw
4/1/02 11:17:26
Name: dazzletoo
E-mail: dazzletoo@yahoo.com
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
After reading your article, it looks like you have difficulty understanding the cause of the intifada. The illegitimate state of Israel was created thru the genocide of the palestinian people and forcing the rest of them to a life of refugee camp. Their righteous struggle for self determination must continue on by all means necessary. They will not melt away. They will not kneel. More and more people are joining their cause and the illegitimate state of Israel will self-destroyed. It is only a matter of time.
4/1/02 11:17:26
Name: Stan
E-mail: fdcol@yahoo.com
Subject: Arafat is not the problem
Loved it!
4/1/02 11:07:28
Name: Frank Collins
E-mail: fdcol@yahoo.com
Subject: Arafat Not The Problem
Jason, at first I thought your assertion that Arafat wasn't the problem was pure B.S. - then I read further. I completely concur with your statement. You hit the nail on the head.
The problem is a wishy-washy US policy and Western liberal tolerance for the moral equivolency of Arab terrorist suicide bombings which specifically target innocent civilians with those of a state using military forces against known militants.
4/1/02 11:00:32
Name: American
Subject: You are wrong
Killing more Palestinians will not buy Israel more security. The opposite will happen. Israel must get out of Arab land.
4/1/02 10:46:10
Name: Dani
Subject: Arafat is not the problem
I have absolutely nothing to add to your perfect article. It contains the most right-on words I have seen in print in a long time. It just underscores the idiocy of last week's Saudi Arab Summit. Even if the Arab world offer's Israel "semi-normalization", all that means is that Israeli security will be forced to drop. This will allow the terrorist groups that act freely in their countries - who say that they will not uphold the peace treaty - to infiltrate Israel more easily. That is not security.
4/1/02 10:45:39
Name: ralph
Subject: israel
if we do not stand up now later the barbarians will come for us all. like the poem from ww11. first they came for the jews, and i did nothing, then they came for the gays, and i did nothing, then they came for the gypsies and i did nothing. now they came for and there was no one else left who would help.
this is ugly 12th century islam. how do you think islam spread in the first place? thru discussions in coffe shop! no! by the sword. they are stuck in a hopeless cul-de-sac that will destry us all - even moderate muslems whoo are afraid to stand up.
4/1/02 10:41:47
Name: Gay
E-mail: fattuchus@yahoo.com
Subject: "Arafat is not the Problem"
I loved your editorial. Thank you for telling it like it is. I wish more people, especially those in power, shared your views.
4/1/02 10:33:38
Name: Cowboy Neal
E-mail: daemon@usatoday.net
Subject: The Truth About Israel - Palestine
I cannot believe the degree of ignorance in this country.
Israel is the most racist government on the face of the Earth. Arab Muslims and Arab Christians living in Israel cannot vote, have no rights, cannot attend Israeli Universtities, and are prohibited from working 100's of jobs. Their religious shrines and settlements are routinely bombed and bulldozed by the Israeli military, and replaced by Jewish buildings.
This violence is a result of almost 100 years of oppression. Since the end of WWI the Jews have displaced millions of Palestinians, stealing their land. Since 1947 the UN has passed countless resolutions calling for an end to the humiliating and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These resolutions have been repeatedly ignored by Israel.
Israeli roadblocks and checkpoints prevent millions of Palestinians from living their lives IN THEIR OWN LAND. Countless Palestinians have died at roadblocks, unable to pass, on their way to medical centers.
Israel has done an effective job of destroying the Palestinian infrastructure. They bomb their water and sewage plants, power plants, police stations. The Palestinians have no army of their own. Their economy is in ruins. Meanwhile Israel recieves over 3 billion dollars a year in aid from the United States!
The Palestinians are desperate. Their land stolen, their economy shattered, their settelements bombed and bulldozed... These are a proud people, humiliated by years of Israeli oppression and occupation.
And now Israel moves in to Palestinian territory yet again with their tanks and troops. How is this supposed to promote peace?
I submit that Israel is NOT interested in peace. Israel will not stop until the Palestinian people are wiped out and all their land stolen from them. If Israel was truly interested in peace they would withdraw all their troops from Palestinian land, and stop their concerted destruction of the Palestinian people.
4/1/02 10:33:18
Name: Hidalgo
E-mail: weddings@prodigy.net.mx
Subject: Arafat is not the problem
Come on Jason,
Arafat is not the problem, you are right. The problem are the Jews occupying land that does not belong to them and refusing to leave. The US as always supports them no matter what they do. I can recommend you to read the history of Palestine. They were there before the Jews.
When you have a murderer leading a country like Sharon, what can you expect. Have you ever heard about Sabra and Chatila? Did you know the Belgian courts will bring him up on charges of genocide, war crimes against humanity: It is naive to suggest that Israel re occupies the Palestinian land.and then what.
Any person can see that Sharon is stupid he will not win. What Israel needs to do is pull back to its 1967 frontiers, grant statehood to the Palestinians and grab the opportunity now to establish relations with Arab countries.
what really pisses me off is people like you supporting the Jews who have become more fascist than anything. What makes them so special? arena't the Palestinians human too??
you sound very very pro Zionist. Roth is your last name are you Jewish? you need to be more objective.
4/1/02 7:25
Name: Patrick
Subject: Israel
I just read your other readers comments and it appears that the consensus (even for the idiot who signed up for your newsletter after bashing you) is that your site sucks. So I might as well go ahead and say that at first I thought your site probably sucked. But then, I just read your article about the Israeli siege of Arafat and I found it hit the nail right on the head. Arafat has proven unworthy. Of course, the part about a "split" in the Bush administration because of the UN vote compared to his actual position is hogwash. It's called politics, man. Get used to it. Everyone knows what Bush's position is with Israel and their right to defend themselves. But do you think that position would fly with our liberal European allies or any of the Islamic states? Yeah, right. OUR OFFICIAL POSITION IS...PLEASE PULL BACK YOUR TANKS. Wink, wink.
On a side note, I just read an article about a bunch of Muslim countries meeting to discuss terrorism and how to lable it and deal with it. They were at odds with eachother about whether to call what the Palestinians are doing "terrorism", but they were virtually all willing to call the Israeli "occupation" terrorism. Seriously...do they live in the same world I do? Since when is this even a close call? This is more like an early '90s Tyson vs. Joe Glassjaw, over in 29 second decision. IF YOU BLOW UP CIVILIANS, ON PURPOSE (DING) THAT'S TERRORISM!!! I don't care how good your purpose is. I don't care if you're being oppressed. If you're being humiliated and treated unfairly (again, welcome to the real world). YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS BECAUSE OF YOUR CAUSE. If you want to plead your case, do it politically within your country (see communism, socialism, etc.), or politically outside your country (UN, Greenpeace, etc.), or attack the offending military (if you must take lives). But attacking civilians is worse than terrorism...it's COWARDICE! Do you think that killing a school teacher mother and her 3, 5 and 10 year old children is justified because you've been oppressed by a country? God forbid!
Well, I'll get off my soapbox now. Hope this isn't too long a comment for you. It just really angers me how backward thinking people can be. Me, I'm just waiting for God's return to straighten us all out.
4/1/02 10:07:16
Name: Anonymous
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITICAL, LYING, TRUTH DISTORTING, MANIPULATIVE, LACK AND IGNORE ANY HISTORICAL FACT....
THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU..
YOU THINK THAT YOUR LIVES ARE WORTH MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE...
1,500 PALESTINIAN 400 ISRAELI DEATHS...
ALL STARTED BY SHARON PROVOCATION AT THE TEMPLE MOUNT...
SHARON IS THE REAL TERRORIST....
LIFE IS LIFE WHETHER IT IS SO CALLED JEW, PALESTINIAN, WHITE, BLACK, YELLOW, OR WHOEVER... THE SOONER SO CALLED JEWS AND SO CALLED ISRAEL AND THE U.S. REALIZES THIS FACT THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER MORE PEACEFUL PLACE...
THESE SO CALLED JEWS OCCUPY STOLEN LAND...
THEY SHOULD RETURN TO WHEREVER THEY WERE BEFORE 1932 (THE YR BEFORE THE NAZI REGIME) WHETHER THAT BE YUGOSALVIA, CZECH, POLAND, ITALY, RUSSIA OR WHEREEVER ELSE, AND LEAVE THOSE PEOPLE ALONE...
THE SO CALLED ISRAELI STATE FORMED IN 1948 WAS NOT FORMED BY A RELIGOUS MANDATE...
INITALLY THAT MAYBE THE SO CALLED JEWS BE RELOCATED AND ARGENTINA OR UGANDA...
YET THE MANIPULATIVE JEWISH LOBBY DISTORTS THESE FACTS...
THE WORLD NEEDS TO STAND UP TO SO CALLED ISRAEL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAVE GONE TOO FAR... NOT VIOLENTLY... SIMPLY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE, LIFE IS LIFE, AND KILLING IS KILLING... AND IT MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY FROM BOTH SIDES...
IF SENSIBLE SO CALLED JEWS DO NOT REMOVE SHARON IMMEDIATELY FROM ANY DECISION MAKING REPSPONSIBITIES HE IS GOING TO GET ISRAEL BLOWN OFF THE MAP.... STOP IT NOW... AND LEAVE THE PALESTINIANS BE!!!!!
LEAVE PALESTINE AND GO BACK TO WHATEVER EUROPEAN COUNTRY YOU COME FROM!!!
4/1/02 09:25:40
Name: ashreeve
E-mail: ashreeve@emirates.net.ae
Subject: Hysterical Garbage
I have just read the article "Arafat is not the problem" written by a Jason Roth. I have let friends of many nationalities read it - and most of these friends are "westerners" - and they are unanimous in their horror that such an article could be written by any thinking person.
What about the Palestinians?? Did you at any time consider them??
Did you ever consider their rights as human beings ??
In defending their own territory, why should they be branded terrorists ??
I have always been pro-Jewish but never pro-Zionist and there is a great question of morality here.
After the terrible experiences of the Jews in WW2, don't the Zionists think that their treatment of the Palestinians is in the same inhuman mould??
4/1/02 7:25
Name: David
Subject: Paid by Israel
Unfortunately, under a website called save the humans, you fail to understand that the Palestinians are the ones who need help and their terrorists actions are the only reason why people even debate peace in the middle east. Palestine is their land and it was stolen from them because Jews, who killed also killed Jesus, bought the US and England. Israel needs to leave and stop extending their borders. No country is allowed to extend their borders but for some reason Israel pays off the US to block any vote that recognizes this. It's a shame that you, like many others are bought by the Jewish media. For thousands of years the Jews have pretended and told stories of how they were the ones being victimized. But yet they have all the American weapons and they are the ones who use aggressive attacks and terrorism. I hope you don't call yourself a Christian. As much as you kiss ass to Israel, they're trying to end Christianity too. So the Palestinians, with no military, no land, are fighting the Christians war too. Ariel Sharon is the modern day Hitler, and the comparisons run deep. What our Jewish media fails to mention is the other Palestinians that are being killed by Israel. Israel needs to leave the Palestinians alone and stop tearing down their homes and building "Israeli settlements." Then if their are terrorist attacks by Hezbollah then the US and other western countries could help. They don't want to today because the truly know that Israel is at fault, something you fail to recognize.
4/1/02 08:59:50
Name: Steve Morton
E-mail: sjm@sjmlaw.com
Subject: arafat is not the problem
God bless you Jason. I read everything i can about my beloved Jewish state, which has been under seige since the moment it was born by the spineless evil Arab world. You are a wonderful writer with crystal clear vision and i encourage you to continue speaking loudly and strongly with your wonderful voice.
sincerely,
steven morton
4/1/02 6:44
Name: Marc Green
E-mail: marc.green@wcom.com
Subject: arafat is not the problem
Jason, this is one of the few articles on the middleeast that makes sense.
Sincerely,
Marc Green
USA
3/31/02 20:53
Name: Mike Behar
E-mail: mikebs@isdn.net.il
Subject: Arafat is Not the Problem
Saying Arafat is not the problem is like saying Bin-Laden is not the problem. I agree with your article and I hope more readers will have a chance to read it. Meantime I just hope that soon the truth will come out. As Israeli surround Arafat's headquarters in Ramala they are picking up all the necessary information that Arafat not only did not stop the Terrorism, but he was the mastermind the coordinator, the coach the orchestrated of terrorism. There is nothing worse than a double-faced terrorist that on one hand speaks to the western world about peace and on the other calls for a war (through terrorism) to the Arab world.
Keep on writing.
Mike
3/31/02 10:55
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